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Q1 2021 Earnings Call· Mon, Nov 9, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, everyone. And welcome to the Aurora Cannabis First Quarter Fiscal 2021 Conference Call for the three months ending September 30, 2020. This call is being recorded today, Monday, November 9, 2020. Listeners are reminded that certain matters discussed in today’s conference call or answers that may be given to questions asked could constitute forward-looking statements that are subject to the risks and uncertainties related -- relating to the Aurora’s future financial or business performance. Actual results could differ materially from those anticipated in the forward-looking statements. The risk factors that may affect results are detailed in Aurora’s annual information form and other periodic filings and registration statements. These documents maybe accessed via the SEDAR and EDGAR databases. Since we are conducting today’s call from our respective remote locations there may be brief delays, cross-walk or other monocle -- minor technical issues during this call. We thank you in advance for your patience and understanding. I would now like to introduce Mr. Miguel Martin, Chief Executive Officer for Aurora Cannabis. Please go ahead Mr. Martin.

Miguel Martin

Management

Thank you, Operator, and good morning, everyone, and thank you for your interest in Aurora. Since being appointed CEO in late September, I have established the tactical plans to succeed and I have been working with our team on executing these plans. We intend to demonstrate that Aurora can be a profitable growth-oriented leader in the global cannabinoid market. I would therefore like to spend our time today discussing the execution steps we are making in our business as well as our go-forward strategy. But first, let me comment briefly on the recent quarter. Q1 can best be characterized as transitional period, while there remains a significant opportunity available to Aurora in the Canadian consumer segment, the other legs of our business are performing well. We remain the leader in the high margin Canadian medical market and our international medical business saw 41% net revenue growth this quarter. Our CBD brand, Reliva is the number one ranked brand by Nielsen in the U.S. CBD sector. And most importantly, our platform provides us with significant optionality in the CBD market as I will explain later. As you can see from our earnings release, our quarterly results were generally in line with our previous expectations with cannabis net revenues of $67.8 million and an adjusted gross margin of 52%, excluding ramp up costs at Nordic. SG&A, excluding restructuring items was $43 million, which was consistent with our run rate target of the low $40 million range. Finally, as it relates to Q1, we demonstrated progress with respect to narrowing our adjusted EBITDA loss, the $10.5 million. This marked the third consecutive quarter of adjusted EBITDA trending towards breakeven. As you know, as part of our business transformation plan, we have made some very tough decisions and done a lot of hard work…

Glen Ibbott

Management

Thanks, Miguel. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us in today’s call. And we will take a few minutes to review our first quarter 2021 results. Please note that the figures I will be going over today can be found in the press release we issued this morning, and they are all in Canadian dollars unless otherwise stated. I should also note that in accordance with IFRS standards, the comparative revenue figures for Q4 2020 have been reduced slightly to reflect the removal of discontinued operations results from our ancillary revenues. Out first quarter fiscal 2021, the period from July 1st to September 30, 2020, our net revenue, all of it from cannabis businesses came in at $67.8 million, a bit higher than the $60 million to $64 million range we previously provided. Our sales mix remains evenly split with the consumer cannabis segment delivering $34.3 million in net revenue and our medical cannabis segments delivering $33.5 million in net revenue. So let me dig into revenue a bit further. In the first quarter, our medical revenue was up slightly. Underlying this was a temporary decrease in Canada of about $600,000, as we transitioned all of our patients to a new integrated sales platform, where they have access now to all Aurora medical brands, including MedReleaf, CanniMed and Aurora and to Whistler. Aurora continues to have a significant advantage in Canadian medical market share. But more than offsetting that temporary decline was the stellar performance from our international medical business, which continued to show the strength of our expertise and brands with 41% increase quarter-over-quarter to almost $6.5 million of revenue. I should remind you that our leadership in the Canadian international medical markets is very important to our bottomline and long-term value creation, bringing sustainable growth expectations…

Miguel Martin

Management

Thanks, Glen. I want to close by highlighting the steps of the plan we are executing now for the Canadian consumer market. First, we are focused on driving sales of premium brands and flower, Whistler, San Raf and Aurora. Second, we are focused on winning share in key growth formats, vape, pre-rolls, edibles and concentrates. And third, evaluating and executing on opportunities to align our production and manufacturing costs to sales and shift our model away from fixed to variable costs, I am very confident in the early execution of these tactical plans. We know what we need to do to be successful across our main markets and are already seeing early signs to run the right path. As CEO it is my responsibility to ensure that the entire team is executing accordingly to their respective responsibilities. This entails continuously looking for more effective ways to capture topline opportunities that are margin creative and extract even more efficiencies from operations. When we are successful we not only strengthen our financial condition, but over time build a sustainable and growing level of adjusted EBITDA and the base of positive free cash flow that can be used to invest globally over a multiyear horizon in both the THC and non-THC cannabinoids. We look forward to sharing our progress with respect to our plans and reaching these goals over the coming quarters. Thank you. Operator, if you can please open it up for questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Vivien Azer with Cowen. Please proceed with your question.

Vivien Azer

Analyst

Hi. Good morning.

Miguel Martin

Management

Good morning, Vivien.

Vivien Azer

Analyst

So understanding this is a transitional quarter, like maybe let’s take it a little bit more near-term, obviously a lot of volatility in the markets, elections are incredibly topical in the United States. So, Miguel, perhaps is it a great opportunity for you to level set everyone on what you view is the tangible and likely regulatory pathways for a more notable entry into the U.S. beyond CBD?

Miguel Martin

Management

Well, good morning, Vivien and it’s a great question. I think, like most things with me, my background really colors my opinion, and having spent 20 years to 25 years in the tobacco business, you saw a lot of uncertainty and there are a lot of corollaries here. So first and foremost, while everyone is hyper focused on potential federal action, I would really draw your attention to what’s happening at the states. When you talk about controlled substances and you talk about regulated products, state level actions in many ways have more applicability in the short-term than federal actions. You see that in CBD today in the U.S. and the cannabinoid business, and you clearly see it in the THC bearing [ph] cannabinoids. We had four really important states pass comprehensive cannabis legislation, and so that starts to move the ball forward in terms of when do you get to this tipping point. Now, on the federal side, the Biden-Harris position is clear, and I think it’s going to have to be a little more articulated on what the timing is. But depending on what happens with the runoff election in Georgia, the Republicans control of the Senate has a key impact. So all in all, if you boil that all down, I guess, I would say, the following sort of three things. First and foremost, very positive news at the state level, we see both in the U.S. and globally, and increasing sort of openness towards THC bearing cannabinoids and that bodes well for a company like Aurora. Secondly, there is work to be done to see what a federal construct looks like, and third and I think this is the most important piece by far is, if and when you see countries, including the U.S. pass federal regulations and legislation, the experience is that the Canadian LPs have had in Canada as the largest federal construct on manufacturing, packaging, production, sales and marketing, all of those things instantly becomes really valuable. By the same token, the rigors getting into a Germany or Poland or in Israel, that is muscle memory that you can’t just replicate really quickly. So we continue to learn, we continue to see those pieces as being portable. And at a time in which, there is an opening for us in the U.S., we think that we will have a ton of resources and a ton of interest because of all those experiences. And so that’s how I would couch it and it’s -- I am not here to give a particular timeline because I think that’s -- as you know, that’s probably I am trying to predict legislation like this at a federal level.

Vivien Azer

Analyst

Absolutely. And I appreciate that perspective. Miguel, if I can squeeze in a follow up.

Miguel Martin

Management

Sure.

Vivien Azer

Analyst

As it relates to the Senate election, to the extent that the Democrats do not take the Senate, do you want to offer a view on what that means in terms of pathways and catalysts? Thanks.

Miguel Martin

Management

Yeah, I mean, I don’t -- I mean that, it’s easier to say that, if Sarah McConnell and the Republicans keep control of the Senate, that that sort of it. I mean, as we have learned with states like Illinois, the economic benefits of legalization of medical or RAC has become a bit of a bipartisan issue. And so, I think we have to see, unfortunately, with the pandemic of COVID, you are seeing a lot of budget shortfalls and a lot of people are looking towards a responsible, regulated version of cannabis in order to fill that. So I think, Vivien we will have to see, but I understand that historical positions would be that Democrats are always going to support it and Republicans always won’t. That’s not the case. We have not seen that in CBD. As an example, when we look at Republican governors, particularly in say, Texas or Florida, seeing the benefits of a regulated, thoughtful approach on non-THC bearing cannabinoids, and I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that the Republicans, given their focus on fiscal prudence wouldn’t also have a similar opinion under the right construct. And again, those companies that have acted responsibly in a compliance-driven manner in Canada clearly are going to have an advantage when that construct presents itself.

Vivien Azer

Analyst

Understood. Thanks for the time.

Miguel Martin

Management

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from line of Pablo Zuanic with Cantor Fitzgerald. Please proceed with your question.

Pablo Zuanic

Analyst · Cantor Fitzgerald. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you. Good morning.

Miguel Martin

Management

Good morning, Pablo.

Glen Ibbott

Management

Good morning.

Pablo Zuanic

Analyst · Cantor Fitzgerald. Please proceed with your question.

Two -- I guess the first question would be just following up on the last one, when you see Canopy Growth licensing Tokyo Smoke and Tweed to Acreage and building awareness for their brands and you hear Aphria talk about the strategic relevance of the SweetWater deal in craft beer to build relevance for their brands, do you think you need to do something similar to push or to start building awareness for your brands in the U.S. or it’s just too early and there’s still enough time to get behind that? Thanks.

Miguel Martin

Management

Well, thank you for the thoughtful question, Pablo. I mean, listen, I am not here to be critical on anyone else’s approach, particularly as it builds awareness. I think the two examples you gave are a bit different. One is about leveraging infrastructure and expertise, and the second to your point is about awareness. My opinion is that when you have high quality brands that can operate in a variety of different markets as we do, I think there’s opportunity. The biggest thing, though, Pablo, to me is all of your capabilities to be able to execute at a time at which it makes sense. Obviously, there are challenges -- structural challenges for publicly-traded companies to operate today in the U.S. That doesn’t mean, though, that you can’t build infrastructure and capabilities for a time in which it is federally regulated and that’s really what we are focused on. So we will be opportunistic. I clearly expect that a lot of folks will be deeply interested in what we have been able to do around the world from a regulated standpoint. I would also tell you that the science and genetics and genomics and experience with the plant, maybe one of the most portable sort of aspects of both our business and other pieces of business. So it doesn’t give me any pause that our friends at Canopy have done what they have done and the folks of Aphria have done what they have done with the craft brewery in Atlanta. We feel very confident with our position. We feel very confident that the resources that we have will be attractive and then the time in which it makes sense, you will see us be there.

Pablo Zuanic

Analyst · Cantor Fitzgerald. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. And just a quick follow up on the Canadian…

Miguel Martin

Management

Sure.

Pablo Zuanic

Analyst · Cantor Fitzgerald. Please proceed with your question.

… market. I don’t think there’s much in the press release about outlook or comments on the quarter. But obviously, you beat in the September quarter, right, $68 million versus $60 million to $64 million. Maybe, what drove that, because guidance was given late in the September quarter? But more important that, where are we -- what comments can you give into some guidance with outlook for the December quarter in rec. With the -- I guess, with the slight concern on my side, when I look at the market data, particularly high fire, I see evidence of the successful pivot in the derivatives and the premium brands, but I see a big collapse in sales for your value flower business, right, which is still relevant to your total revenue. So what that means to your total rack sales in the December quarter. So just some color there terms of a beat and in terms of where we are in the December quarter in rack? Thanks.

Miguel Martin

Management

All right. I will take the second half and then I will turn it over to Glen to sort of talk about the first half. So, as I mentioned, these are big shifts to sort of move. Clearly, I have been unabashed and my focus on premium flower derivatives vapor, which obviously have a long history and given I was just running logic. And so, what I would say is this, there is a lot of folks that are pumping out low cost flower at the low end and that’s had an impact. And you are going to see disruption as us and others right-size production to consumer demand. And so that is what it is and can sort of get there. I think as you look at the percentage of the profit pool and you look at the margins associated, and as I mentioned, Whistler’s 10x per gram as a discount flower, you are going to start to see us move pretty strongly into the areas I have talked about. You have seen it on vapor, you will see it on pre-rolls, you will see it on concentrates. And so I am not worried about the contribution of our profitability, being reliant upon low cost flower and the commoditization of that particular aspect of flower, I think, is not a great place to be. And so, we are confident with our plan. And I think having being blessed with such premium assets is really going to be important. And for everyone that has this sort of belief and I know you don’t, but that this whole things this give me commoditize, I would draw your attention to what we are seeing in California and Colorado, and over a 50 years to 100 years of regulated products, there is clearly a place for premium products in the regulated space and clearly in place as being demonstrated for premium products in the cannabis business. And as you know, the margins of those derivative products are 2.0, as some may call it away are stronger. So Glen, you want -- would you please take Pablo’s first part of his question.

Glen Ibbott

Management

Yeah. Thanks. Good morning, Pablo. Yeah. Listen, we have a range and as we are kind of closing our books, it looks like we are getting towards the upper end of the range and potentially a little bit over. I wasn’t comfortable giving you guys any sort of additional guidance beyond that range or shifting until we got through all of this the review to close the -- final closing the book and review with our auditors. And for instance, you will see in our MD&A, where we disclose more vapors in our revenues. In particular, our revenue provision is about a million dollars lower than it would have been the previous quarter. That all take some time to work through. So the outcome -- we knew we are at the top or maybe slightly over. In fact as we looked at, as I say, finalizing the book and recording all the proper provisions and things like that we ended up coming in slightly above the range. That’s about it.

Pablo Zuanic

Analyst · Cantor Fitzgerald. Please proceed with your question.

That’s good. Thanks. Thank you to both.

Miguel Martin

Management

Yeah. Thank, Pablo.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from a line of Michael Lavery with Piper Sandler. Please proceed with your question.

Michael Lavery

Analyst · Piper Sandler. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you. Good morning.

Miguel Martin

Management

Good morning, Michael.

Michael Lavery

Analyst · Piper Sandler. Please proceed with your question.

So can you -- even if the timing of any entry into THC in the U.S. is certainly unknown? How much thought have you given to your strategic approach or how you would plan to go-to-market? And I am specifically curious how you view interstate commerce? Do you see that as inevitability, and if so, would you wait for that to come into place before trying to make an investment or entry or would you go ahead and begin on a state-by-state approach? How do you think about that?

Miguel Martin

Management

Well, first, as you look at the things that we have to do to be successful, say, in Germany or in Israel, or in Poland, there are a lot of similarities to what you would have to do in the U.S. If you look at everything we have had to do in Canada, there are a lot of similarities to what you -- what I believe you will have to do in the U.S. So, so much of the -- I know it’s fun to talk about brands and marketing and devices and formats, but the real heavy lifting is going to be on the back end. So IP, generic, genomic, trademarks, science, compliance, manufacturing protocols, GMP, ISO certification, packaging compliance, testing protocols, sales and marketing. And so, if I was to ask -- if I wanted anyone to focus on who are the companies that are going to win long-term, look at the companies that do that. Yes, clearly, having some brand awareness and excellence in terms of consumer awareness will be critical. But in a new regulated category, it’s going to be all of the other stuff that I just mentioned that’s going to clearly make a difference and we are working on that every day, all day, not only in Canada, but around the world and that benefits us greatly in the U.S. Now Michael, as you know, the legal restrictions or the sort of different aspects of what a publicly-traded company has to do in order to be compliant will require some form of a federal construct. Now, as I mentioned earlier, there are lot of different pathways to get there that are not just sort of a red blue issue, that can be around economics and a variety different things. And clearly, I think for…

Michael Lavery

Analyst · Piper Sandler. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. Thanks for that. And just a follow-up, you have mentioned genetics and genomics a couple of times. Can you give us maybe a little more color on how you see Aurora differentiated or standing out there and then how that translates marketplace execution either with the consumer or anyone else?

Miguel Martin

Management

So, Aurora over its lifespan has acquired significant amount of companies and resources, and with a lot of those companies has become -- has come a very significant library of genetics and genomics. And so like any other agricultural company, genetics have a lot to do with yields, lot to do with durability of the player, a lot to do with the output. And clearly given the variances in how we see people use cannabis in the articulation of all those core metrics, whether it’s intensity or onset or offset, genetic and genomics are really important in this category, like, they would in most of these regulated types of categories. So as you think about that expertise and the value of that and being able to leverage that in a market, the size of the U.S., it becomes incredibly important, and again, it’s the life cycle of it. It’s the fact that these assets and these outputs have been tried and tested in over multiple crop cycles in multiple markets and different sort of environments. And so all of those things are valuable as you get into a market, the size of the U.S. where you really can’t be as nichy and there will be under a potential federal construct value for large scale agriculture like you are seeing in Canada today. And so, again, that all plays a role in how quickly and how effectively and how thoughtfully you can go to a market with the size of the U.S.

Michael Lavery

Analyst · Piper Sandler. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. That’s great. Thank you very much.

Miguel Martin

Management

You are very welcome, Michael.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Tamy Chen with BMO. Please proceed with your question.

Tamy Chen

Analyst · BMO. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks. Good morning, everyone.

Miguel Martin

Management

Good morning.

Tamy Chen

Analyst · BMO. Please proceed with your question.

First question is, I wanted to understand better the shelf with the $500 million U.S. ATM. I mean, it’s quite significant amount. So I mean how should we and investors think about that? Have you taken that on so you can ride out the challenging environment in Canada or is it also for how you are thinking about the U.S., you mentioned opportunistic a couple of times? So I just wanted to understand that given it’s a pretty sizable amount.

Miguel Martin

Management

Glen, you want to take that one?

Glen Ibbott

Management

Yeah. I will get started on that, Tamy.

Miguel Martin

Management

Sure.

Glen Ibbott

Management

Just to correct something you said, it’s not an ATM, it’s the shelf prospectus and that just pre-qualify shares for issuance or any securities for issuance and pretty broad, it allow us to issue debt, it allow us issue shares. Certainly should we see an opportunity to do so. But it’s not an ATM. If we are to use an ATM, we would file a supplement to be able to do that and you would see that should we do that at some point. So this is really, as Miguel mentioned in his remarks, just the hallmark of any mature companies having a shelf prospectus qualified and available opportunistically. So that’s the way to think about it. It’s not an ATM. It doesn’t allow us to sell shares tomorrow under an ATM unless we file a supplement.

Miguel Martin

Management

Yeah. I guess, Tamy, the only thing I’d add to it, we mentioned this a bit earlier, if you look at cash burn or the cash component, which has become such an important metric for a lot of good reasons. On cost and cash use, we have cut about$60 million in cash expenses from our SG&A in three quarters. We have significantly reduced our CapEx over that time and now really at a run rate really focused around maintenance CapEx going forward. So I think overall the focus on cash is headed in the right direction. If we look at the industry, if we look at our peers, say, we are clearly well-capitalized. But I think the big thing also is understanding the market is appreciating both business execution and rock solid liquidity and when we proved to investors we have actually on the plan we put forward, I really don’t want that success to be overshadowed by perceived liquidity issues. And so as we move forward in the tactical plan, gaining back market share and growth of those premium segments in Canada, really want to have those financial resources available to be opportunistic, which you have mentioned. So I just would add that color about the importance of having both sides of it. It should really I think allow people to uniquely focus on execution, particularly in the rack committee in business.

Tamy Chen

Analyst · BMO. Please proceed with your question.

Got it. Okay. That’s helpful. Thank you. And I guess my follow-up is, if you could just elaborate a bit more on what you were talking about in shifting more production cost from fixed to variable? I mean, does that consider even more facility closures and more leverage of third-party supply. Just can you elaborate on what you meant by that? Thank you.

Miguel Martin

Management

Sure. Sure. I’d be happy to. I mean, the base premise, I mean, if you go back, all -- these facilities, the amount of production in Canada that in a lot of ways was built to service global opportunities and to service a market that just is bigger than currently there and so I have got a long history of using variable versus fixed. And I will tell you the one thing I can’t predict in those categories that things are moving very quickly. And so to hardwire yourself to these massive fixed costs, not knowing exactly what the outcome is, I think, is not -- doesn’t best server. Secondly, as we have all know there is plenty of great high quality product available, particularly in Canada. So while we will have to have the EU GMP facility over in Denmark, which is a tremendous asset to have and clearly there is plenty of work for that, there is an opportunity in Canada particularly with these large scale facilities. So we have announced to downturn of five of them, a couple of them is already closed, and yes, we are looking at some external sources to give us greater flexibility so that we don’t have to carry all those costs and also be in a good position. This would be both in flower, and as well as a couple of other items. If you look at other businesses I have been a part of, that some might argue, have been quite successful, you don’t hardwire huge fixed costs, you give yourself maximum flexibility and then once a category really is on firm footing and you can determine exactly where it’s going, I think you can make more educated decisions. So I am very confident that you are going to find us to be in a strong position regardless of which way the category moves, particularly in between the formats.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of David Kideckel with ATB Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

David Kideckel

Analyst · ATB Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Hi. Good morning guys.

Miguel Martin

Management

Good morning, David.

Glen Ibbott

Management

Good morning.

David Kideckel

Analyst · ATB Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Congrats on the quarter. I want to just go down into your international medical cannabis opportunity a little bit more in detail, if that’s okay. So just to note, one of your competitors also announced -- who also announced results this morning. For the international medical cannabis component date, sales were actually down quarter-over-quarter versus Aurora, you and sales are up. So my question is given just how important this channel is for overall, as Glen, you mentioned, gross margin in particular, do you see this trend continuing with upward sales on the international channel specifically? And I will just note to give that question some color. I mean one of the comments made by the competitor was that it’s a very crowded space. So just any color you can offer with not only market potential there, but how is Aurora kind of navigating the complexities associated with medical cannabis on an international scale? Thanks.

Miguel Martin

Management

Yeah. I mean, so, first and foremost, I think, we are bullish. As I mentioned before, if you think about the permissive nature or the movement of legal cannabis across the globe, opportunities are more prevalent and are going to happen more frequently than the opposite. So I just would throw that out there as a general tailwind. Secondly, I will tell you that, compliance, regulatory, having facilities in Europe and the navigation of specific aspects about infrastructure that’s focused on science, technology and regulation are differentiators. As markets internationally are becoming more, I would guess, professionalized and more sophisticated, I think, companies like Aurora will be advantaged if they can produce the quality cannabis in a certain manner with a certain level of infrastructure. And so listen, we are in early days here and I am not here to dismiss or be critical of any of our competitors, because I have great respect for them. We like where we are at. We like the possibilities that the EU facility in Denmark provides for us and we like the conversations that we are having with external partners based on our history of compliance and science-based production. And I think as long as those tailwinds continue of cannabis being permitted and being opened internationally, I think, what we bring to the table and continue to invest in will be a compelling argument.

Glen Ibbott

Management

Just to add a little bit to that.

David Kideckel

Analyst · ATB Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. And then…

Glen Ibbott

Management

And -- sorry. Just -- you will see in our MD&A where we pull apart the international business, you can see the revenue is mainly generated at a flower and there is a developing market in Germany, actually quite healthy one for extracting oil and things. So it’s important to note that the licensing that we got at our Aurora Nordic facility in Denmark includes oil, so it’s flower and oil and we intend to use that facility to supply the European markets and the international markets, in fact, whether it’s Europe, Israel or whatever and free up the Canadian facilities. But the oil licensing out of Nordic is important, because that’s an opportunity for us to grow in Europe, in a part of the market we haven’t actually been participating in very strongly.

David Kideckel

Analyst · ATB Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Got it. Okay. That’s helpful. So certainly, it sounds like there’s a lot of room for growth there. My follow-up question is on just shifting gears altogether to beverages. I know Aurora currently does not have a presence in the beverage category, maybe that’s because in the U.S. they have been kind of a swap. But with all the technology that Aurora and others have had, we are seeing an uptick of beverages, specifically in cannabis. I am just wondering, do you have a preference either way moving forward is beverage is a category that you are looking to get into? Thank you.

Miguel Martin

Management

Well, we do have a beverage in Canada. We have a shot which has done quite well. I mean, my opinion on beverages, I guess, is a couple fold. First is, in these categories, I would argue that there is not a significant advantage in being first mover. We have seen that in a variety of other corollary categories around. I am very respectful for what our competitor has done. I think what’s more important is having a strong innovation system. Can you bring high quality products to market that meet consumer needs at a proper price point. And I believe Aurora is developing those capabilities and you have seen it with vapor. Secondly, if and when there was going to be an opportunity in beverage, clearly, we have all of the other pieces put together and all of our plant genomics and everything we would need in order to play in that category. What I do believe, though, is that this category is moving so quickly that to make outsized bets and presuppose exactly where the consumer is going is a mistake. So we are going to continue to offer a variety of consumer options, particularly in emerging categories. And I could argue that concentrates, vapor and pre-roll today have much more actionable opportunities from an economic standpoint, and if and when beverage or any other category like that emerges, we will be there. I will also say that we see in California and Colorado those are really bellwethers states and operate about a year, 10 months to a year from a consumer standpoint ahead of where Canada is at and if we start to see inclinations that beverage or something else is really taking off in those markets or any other sort of bellwether market that we get consumer data on, we can quickly pivot. So I respect others making that push. We don’t see it as an opportunity today, but if and when it was there we would be there. And like I said at the beginning, these categories are not one where first mover status matters.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of John Zamparo with CIBC. Please proceed with your question.

John Zamparo

Analyst · CIBC. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks. Good morning.

Miguel Martin

Management

Good morning, John.

John Zamparo

Analyst · CIBC. Please proceed with your question.

The factors -- good morning. The factors you listed as being success indicators like IP, science and testing and packaging, I am trying to assess how you monetize that? Does it assume a federal pathway to operate in the U.S. and Aurora is the one executing that or is -- do you think about selling that expertise to local, state level providers or is there an assumption of an additional equity investor partnering with Aurora? I know there’s a great deal of unknowns there, but just would like to get a sense of how you think about monetizing the factors where you lead U.S. or international competitors?

Miguel Martin

Management

Well, it’s a great question. I think there is -- the good news is there is a ton of different ways to do it. I mean if you look at companies like Monsanto or you look at other companies that are branded companies, there is a variety of different ways to get there. I think the main thing to understand is at the time in which the U.S. legalizes cannabis either at the medical side or on the rack side, clearly, the Canadian companies are going to have a massive head start in terms of understanding what that type of construct means. So listen, whether that means we are opportunistic through M&A, whether there is licensing, whether there is inherent IP, all types of things. What I do know is that our continued focus and effort in being compliant and being thoughtful around the globe, outside of the U.S. puts us in a position where others are not. And I have -- listen, I have tremendous respect for the MSOs in the U.S. and what they have done, but the fact of the matter is, they have not operated in the federal construct. They have not operated in all of these different markets and that is a different animal and so whether that’s a partnership, whether that’s a go it alone, whether that’s a bright things, I am not going to stand here and sort of presuppose what that is. But what I can say is all the hard work that we are doing around the globe to be successful is portable, can be plugged and played into the U.S. and so there is no disconnect there. We don’t have to take resources away from what we are doing to be more attractive in the U.S. We don’t have to focus on that. So we continue to be in a good position of optionality. And like I said, the Canadian LPs are going to have a significant set of resources that upon federal legalization of either side will be, I would argue uniquely valuable.

John Zamparo

Analyst · CIBC. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. That’s helpful. I will pass it on. Thank you.

Miguel Martin

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Matt McGinley with Needham. Please proceed with your question.

Matt McGinley

Analyst · Needham. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you. My question is on the cash bridge. You started the second quarter with $133 million in cash and with the equity raise you did and with the cash balances that you had. I think by November 6th you had $250 million, it implies to, I think, had around $50 million in cash losses. Are the 2Q cash losses still on the operating side and that the revenue isn’t covering the cost or is this more related to working capital and CapEx?

Glen Ibbott

Management

Yeah. Thanks for that. I think I mentioned in my remarks and you just passed over fairly quickly that we did have a couple of the larger annual costs in October, including our insurance, which is in excess of $10 million paid out in October and also our employee bonuses, which is in the same sort of neighborhood. So we take those out of the cash burn in terms of turn our focus on operations is delivering right now.

Matt McGinley

Analyst · Needham. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. In your European facility, I know you noted increase in production costs related to the ramp of the Nordic 1 facility in Denmark. When would we expect to see that fully operational and I guess when could that impact the medical segment revenue and given gross margin rates are already pretty high in that segment, would that have a positive impact on those gross margin rates or is it sort of net initially because that, I guess, more efficient larger Canadian operations would be offset by this smaller European operation out of the gate?

Glen Ibbott

Management

Yeah. So it’s operational now, I mean, that’s why you are seeing the ramp up costs as they build inventory. We were simply waiting for all the licensing. All the licensing is in place, I believe you will see -- we expect to see sales from that facility in this quarter into Europe, into Germany and other places simply just the import/export permit that is the typical process now and may take a week or two for those. So it’s a facility that was built with a lot of similarities to our existing facilities in Canada. But by the same -- we retrofitted in existing facility there. So it’s a very efficient producer and operated following Matt Peterson, who is third-generation agricultural grower in Netherlands and I believe Denmark is one of the largest tomato exporters in the area as well. So lot of history there, a great operator and a facility that’s built in a similar method to the way we built Canada. So we expect it to be both high yield and very efficient operator.

Operator

Operator

Our next question...

Miguel Martin

Management

Yeah. I guess the only other point I’d make there is that, EU GMP is going to be an important designation for all the other markets as well and so while it’s more expensive and harder, there’s value there plus also navigating that again builds capabilities for us in other markets. Sorry, Operator.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Owen Bennett with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Owen Bennett

Analyst · Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning, guys. Hope you are well?

Glen Ibbott

Management

Good morning, Owen.

Miguel Martin

Management

Good morning, Owen.

Owen Bennett

Analyst · Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Just the one question from me on dry flower, so sequential decline driven by Daily Special, so arguably in line with the new strategy and playing less focused there. But the balance being flat would also suggest share loss continues in the over more premium brands, which is not in line with the new strategy, ideally we would like to see this moving upwards. Can you maybe speak a bit more to this and when would you expect to see share on the premium brands in flower start to pick up with the actions that you are taking? Thank you.

Miguel Martin

Management

Sure. Well, listen, I have just gotten in the seat and so some of these things take a little bit longer. What I can tell you is that you are going to see a significant focus on our premium flower and then we have some tremendous brands, as you know, Whistler, San Raf and Aurora. The company had gone through a lot of transition, as you know, in the first half of the year and there was quite a bit of interest in getting to that transition. And then, to be honest, that Daily Special launch that happened in February and March was so -- I think took everyone by surprise. So there is a couple of things going on. First and foremost, it takes a little bit to get those premium brands we settled. Secondly, we have had very substantive and good conversations with our trade partners about that. And third, we have to look at in some ways, looking into better articulation on format and packaging, and those things take a little bit longer than just flipping a switch and saying we care about San Raf, Whistler and Aurora. So I don’t want to give you timing. I think, listen, I am impatient with all things. I think as you look at the Headset data, retail takeaway data. You will see it. What I can tell you is that you are not going to see competing priorities from us. You are not going to see us trying to do both things exceedingly well. So I don’t think you can. So our focus will be on the premium flower and not on the deep commoditization that’s happening on the low cost flower. And what has not been mentioned today is that you have got 1,300 stores, which is an amazingly small amount of stores and you can muscle 1,300 stores through marketing, trade marketing and sales execution, all of which I have got a long history with. And I can tell you that our focus of those resources will be on premium products and premium accretive margins such as vapor and pre-roll. So I know it’s not the exact answer from a timing standpoint you want. But you know better than anyone and have access to that data you will see how they are doing and I will be -- we will be happy to answer it as we go along.

Owen Bennett

Analyst · Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. Thanks very much. Very helpful.

Miguel Martin

Management

Thank you, Owen.

Operator

Operator

We have reached the end of the question-and-answer session. Mr. Martin, I would now like to turn the floor back over to you for closing comments.

Miguel Martin

Management

Well, thank you. And I want to thank everybody for your questions. We really appreciate your interest in Aurora. While it’s early days, under my tenure, I am very excited about where we are going and I really appreciate that all of you took the time here today. And lastly, and probably most importantly, from all of us, we hope all of you are safe and healthy and we look forward to seeing you soon in person in the future. All the best.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today’s teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation and have a wonderful day.