Q - Patrick Donnell
Analyst · Cowen. Your line is now open
Great. Thank you. Operator: Thank you. And our next question will come from the line of Brandon Couillard with Jefferies. Your line is now open. Thanks. good afternoon.: Mike, just in looking at Europe, it was flat in the quarter. Realized you lapped a tough comp there, but you did so too in the second quarter as well, just curious if you're seeing changes in any of the end-markets if you could just give us a little more color on what you saw in that region? I think we did obviously have a tough compare and I do think that it's probably fair to say that the region is a little bit slower than it was last year, but it's dramatically, not dramatically different. I wouldn't over-interpret the Q3 results. I even mentioned to Didier, should we mention the World Cup, but and the reason why I say this is to not get overly worried about the third quarter result is spent some time with our field teams and the European funnels look pretty good. The only thing that we're kind of keeping an eye on is whether this situation in Turkey could actually spread more broadly across Europe, but again, I think that no significant changes in the overall market environment in the third quarter and I wouldn't over-interpret the one quarter's results. Thanks. And I guess secondly, with the Alnylama approval now on the tape, I'd be curious as to how you're thinking about the next leg of capacity expansion at the NASD facility? When you might be in a position to perhaps pursue I guess the next capacity build-out and what the indicators might be that might lead you to do that? Yes, sure. Thanks for that question. We've already made a decision to make the investments and that decision was made probably about two years ago. This is a very unique capability right into the company and I really think it speaks to the high barriers to entry and probably ultimately the margins we expected to derive in this business. So we made the decision based on our forecast of likely demand and I think the most recent announcement about success is one more proof point that the market's going to be there for the products. And Didier, you want to add something?
:: As a compliment as you know we're only firing up Train A in the facility and as for Train B which we doubled capacity, we are certainly not ready yet to push on the button the around is still an orphan drug. It's not high volume we are waiting their confirmation that our customers will move into a commercial space and then we'll fire up Train B. So it's there. It's obviously at a much cheaper cost than the whole facility built up and we're certainly ready when we see that's this confirmation that a lot of our customers are bringing commercial products onto the market. Thanks for the additional insight Didier. We're bringing on this one train just to be clear. Next year, it's second half of 2019 roughly $100 million ish kind of additional revenue then we could bring on another $100 million or so with Train B. Yeah. That's what I was referring to the train line. Yeah. Didier picked up on that I missed it, sorry. Very good. Thank you. Operator: Thank you. Our next question we come from the line of Dan Leonard with Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open. Thank you. May be a couple more on China. First off, you heard all your peers' report now and it does seem that the environmental and food headwinds are something that Agilent is uniquely calling out. So do you have any opinion on why? Is there a reflection of the product dynamic that these customers are buying? Or maybe just some share in a micro basket of customers? Yeah happy to share my thoughts here. So there is something going on here. It's unique to Agilent because we are uniquely the leader in the ministries where the consolidation is occurring. So that's why you're seeing Agilent calling us out, where others didn't have probably any business there. So we're the ones getting impacted the most and I think that's why you're hearing us call out and other people kind of rightfully not seeing it as a major issue. There's nothing happening competitively in terms of sharing new offerings. It really is a macro effect where we're really strong and we think this is going to be a temporary situation as things move out. And again, I just to remind you overall China business grew double digit for Agilent in the third quarter. It was the fastest growing region we had in the company. That's helpful color. And then just a tariff related follow-up. So you mentioned a couple of times that your remediation effort assumptions don't get include pricing actions. So could you comment on your ability to get price in some of the affected product lines? Do you think you have pricing power? Would you expect that is a lever you could pull or not? Yeah. As I indicated in my call price is one area that you can use to offset the tariff impact. You would have this on the more broad based as opposed to a 25% increase or whatever it may be on a core product platform. So it will be broad based and we think we have the ability to do that. Again, it comes back down to the differentiation of portfolio. If you have something truly a value with differentiated from your competition, you're in a position to be able to do that. So we're not overly concerned about our ability to mitigate the impact on the P&L, on tariffs as they stand right now. Thanks for the color. 0.2% increase on $5 million of revenue to offset the $9 million in net tariffs impact. I'm glad you could do the math on that for me Didier thanks. Appreciate that. Thank you. You're welcome. Operator: Thank you. And our next question will come from the line of Ross Muken with Evercore ISI. Your line is now open. Hey guys. I echo the view. Obviously Didier it’s been a great time working with you and we've seen the business through quite a transformation and Bob I know VJ is very jealous but we'll look forward to spending more time with you as you get ramped. So may be just -- can we take out Pharma for a little bit? It seems like performance in the segment has been better than maybe what you would have foreshadowed some time ago and it feels like maybe there's a bit of share you've taken and obviously you've called out some of the emerging markets strength, but maybe on a product or any other way you want to cut it, give us a little bit of a feel for how you feel like you're performing there maybe versus the peer group? Yeah, Ross thanks for the opportunity to comment on this as Pharma being our largest market. This is really important for us. And we often focus on this one product platform in this area, but the strength of Agilent we have is broad-based portfolio, and what we can see is particularly in the area of mass spectrometry gaining a lot of share both on the LC/MS side as well as there's a number of new regulations that are driving growth of ICP/MS into the space, so we have the breadth of the portfolio to go after those. And again I'll ask Mark to make a few comments here, but I truly believe that this CrossLab platform that we've developed really has allowed us to take really outsized growth in this space and you can start to see the numbers have starting to be quite significant and important to Agilent and Mark if you could just maybe add a few comments about what you think maybe happened to your business in Pharma. Thanks, Mike and maybe at top level, the picture that we're seeing really strong response in all aspects of our Pharma business. I think we've mentioned certainly at AID that we invested a lot in our chemistries business particularly to address the biopharma area. That part of the business is going very well, a lot of complementary pieces coming together in our chemistries business around the Pharma space at large. And then enterprise services, we continue to see strength in that area, in Pharma too and as we've mentioned many times, when they're looking for better productivity or improving some of the better management of the overall assets, we're seeing that and moving into the smaller mid-sized Pharmas and the biopharma companies in general. So long story short is it’s been very sustainable. I think we've continued to see high-single-digit growth over the past few years in this space, and our product portfolio will lend it that way. Certainly we're planning on keeping that momentum going in the future. And Ross I'd just close off on this. I think Mark has been able to develop a scalable platform, right. So discussion before used to be only focused on large Pharma with the game being over and I think the platform is very scalable to small and medium-sized Pharma as well. That's helpful, Mike. And so maybe one for Sam, you've done some acquisitions. You closed out the Lasergen interest. It feels like you've got pretty good momentum at least in terms of tuck-in M&A in that division and your division. How are you feeling about sort of pipeline on things you have in front of you because it's probably the area where you have made the broadest set of things to bring in? And then from a product standpoint particularly on the companion side, it seems like there's a couple of things that could potentially go your way. How are you thinking about that business? Go ahead, Sam. I've been doing a lot of talking today. Yes, thanks for the question, Ross. Maybe I'll go -- I'll start in reverse with your questions. For our Companion Diagnostics business, we remain very excited about that. We are continuing to do work with the partners that are publicly known in terms of Merck and BMS. But beyond that we've had a very active effort to increase what we're doing and develop new Companion Diagnostics with new pharma partners as well as to expand the number of biomarkers. PD-L1 is very important and it's an area that we are continuing to focus on. I think you gave me some stats the other day of how many countries that was registered in some of these indications. Yes, absolutely. You're talking about PD-L1 in particular for the 22C3 variants of that which is for KEYTRUDA and Merck. We're now registered in over 83 countries for more than five indications, so that's good progress and more to come on that. But in response to your question, it's beyond that, we are working on a number of new biomarkers with a number of new partners. So I think that there is goodness to come that we are driving for the coming quarters and coming years. You told me that because we're going to have to flip that expense for doing in the site. That’s right. Thank you, Mike, for that. We are expanding our footprint because the work is very real. It's more than pipeline and things that we're signing. And then Ross with respect to your question on general pipeline, I think I had alluded to you and actually mentioned at Analyst and Investor Day even within our next generation sequencing series of products that we have something called MAGNIS, which we’ll be introducing in early 2019, which is a platform which will automate, starting with DNA going to prepared libraries. We're excited about that and that's just an example but we continue to have new products and you'll see it coming out of both from what’s been our traditional part of our Diagnostics and Genomics Mixed Group but also now out of AATI. So the pipeline will complement the market opportunities and we have a number of things that we'll be able to share in the coming months and quarters. That’s all. Thank you. Quite welcome, Ross. Operator: Thank you. And our next question will come from Steve Willoughby with Cleveland Research. Your line is now open. Hi. Good evening. Thanks for taking my questions. A couple for you. First, you made a comment regarding seeing good demand for both small molecules as well as biopharma customers. Just was wondering, as it relates to the small molecule side, is that a change in the trend that you're seeing, and kind of where you're seeing that amongst your small molecule customers. It sounds to be pretty good demand. And then secondly, Mark, or Didier, you outperformed your guidance in the quarter by a pretty decent amount. And assuming you've had some insight on your orders, is it fair to assume that you had stronger pacing at the latter part of the quarter in the month of July here? Yes, how about I take the first one, right? Steve you're a great reader of the results and listener because when I saw that I said, we've been expecting that the growth rates will start to separate between biopharma and the small molecule segments of our overall pharma business and we saw strong performance to small molecule. We often tie that to liquid chromatography, but what's going on here is two things. One is the overall demand for the ACG services which is and consumables which Mark commented on earlier so that really is our small molecule customers may not be buying new LCs at the same rate they were, but we seen a real expansion of our growth in the services and consumables around our platforms as well as our competitors platforms. And then we also show in these numbers the demand that's coming with ICP/MS related to some of the USP Regs so that’s also driving some of the growth. But I think the real story here is the ACG platform. And I think the comment was around the order pacing? We always expect the third month of the quarter to be stronger than the other month, but in the last two-years we've been a lot more linear than we used to be, so there's nothing remarkable about this last month of the quarter, this month of July. Probably relative to the orders, I just have a thing Didier. Henrik’s team did a fantastic job on the order to revenue conversion. I think we're getting a lot better at making that happen pretty quickly. Okay. Thanks very much. You're quite welcome. Operator: Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Puneet Souda with Leerink Partners. Your line is now open. Yeah, hi Mike. Thanks for taking the question. Congrats on the quarter and Didier, I will absolutely miss you and welcome, Bob. I wanted to touch on just briefly quickly on ICP/MS. Could you elaborate how much of and I don't know if you've touched on this from the last quarter, there were shipment delays that were recognized in this quarter. What was the outside growth excluding those ICP/MS orders catch up and just wanted to confirm if you saw any other similar revenue recognition in this quarter as well that could change expectations for the next quarter? I'd have to do the math, Didier, but I think it's relatively immaterial to the overall because growth rate it's about 3 million bucks I think. So I think it's relatively immaterial to the overall growth for LSAG in the quarter. What was the second? No, no, we would have called those out if we had any of those. I would say the demand for that product continues to be quite strong, so and I think you can expect to hear us talking about ICP/MS in our fourth quarter call as well. In both Pharma and semiconductor and environmental. It's a hot product in some really hot markets right now. Okay, great. And my another question is on Pharma. I know that's been discussed a bit here, but just looking at your acquisitions, ProZyme, Ultra Scientific, and now what you're doing here with Allotrope, but OpenLab, just help us understand high-level, how are you thinking about the overall long-term Pharma growth in LSAG and overall about the LC/MS business and your expectations there to deliver in this market, just help us understand how you see this evolving in a few years from now? Happy to do so and then I may invite Jacob in this conversation here about specifically on LC/MS, but we see Pharma as we highlighted in our AID meeting. That's our largest market with the expected some of the highest expected growth rates outside of clinical diagnostics for the company. So this is an area of major focus for the company, and we've talked about our solutions focus as a company and one of the reasons why we've been able to get strong growth in biopharma is not just because of the great new LC/MS partner but we've been able to broaden our solutions offering. This is where Mark's play of the consumables come in to give us need of chemistry is around our platforms. And on the informatics front, we think so much of the value of customers experience with the company is going to be in informatics and we're a big believer in the importance of opening standards. And that's why we highlighted that Agilent being first to market commercially because this is something our customers are moving us here and some of our competitors prefer closed environments. We’ve always embraced universal connectivity, universal architecture. So philosophically this lines up with our customer focused strategy and we're delighted to be the first one in there. So Jacob maybe you have a few comments about the ultra play, but also about our aspirations in LC/MS? Yes. Thanks, Mike. And let me just start over and echo what you are saying Mike that we believe that’s a future for Agilent in the pharma opportunity. LC has always been a big part but LC/MS has certainly been an even bigger opportunity going forward. Also we see especially in the biopharma where customers is looking for high performance but also for ease of use and our Advanced Q-TOF, Bio Q-TOF has certainly shown that and we have great success with that. But we also see that from an informatics perspective that our customers are looking for something that is faster acquisition of information ease of use again but also getting a full comprehensive overview of all the data in the lab and that's where, let’s hope, is very important to get data standard across all the different modalities and further than that what we have been strong with our OpenLAB looking at scientific information and controlling your -- the hardware itself now with the Genohm acquisition we also have full insight on the sample itself. So all these investments goes into that. We see a great opportunity in pharma and the LC/MS is just getting started there. Okay, great. Thank you. You are quite welcome. Operator: Thank you. And our next question will come from the line of Jack Meehan of Barclays. Your line is now open. Hi, Jack. Hey, Mike and welcome, Bob and Didier, we'll miss you down in Miami. Thanks, Jack. I will be running some time there in the future. Invitation to your conference Jack. If you'd like to swing in, you're welcome to. I want to focus on some of the recent acquisitions and just if you can elaborate a little bit on your plan to scale some of the platforms. If I look at the fourth quarter, you're calling for a bit of a step-up in the contribution. Is there a level you think that these could contribute at just the deals you've closed in 2019 at this point? Yes. So we believe that these acquisitions we made are in fast growing spaces and that was one of the primary rationales of why we went down the acquisition. So, for example, you look at the AATI, NGS driving that growth. And I think Didier, when we were at New York we talked about this thing going probably 20% on their own and I think we're going to stick with those numbers. We just reviewed our acquisition portfolio with our Board at the last Board meeting and all of the deals we've done are growing in excess of 20%. So, again, still the core organic growth is driving the company but we're adding on these faster growing pieces and I think over time even more material to the company's overall growth prospects. I think we're pretty excited about AATI and a couple of other things we've done, so I think let's just leave it there. Yes that's sounds good. And Mike Chemical & Energy is always the wildcard in the outlook, but could you walk us through each of the businesses, how they performed in the quarter and just how you think the funnel is coming together there? Specific to the three business groups or specific to chemical energy? I just want to make sure I got the question correct. I guess the end markets within the Chemical & Energy, if we think about chemicals E&P and… Okay, good. Thank you. Thanks for the clarification. So just a reminder, we think about this segment across three areas refining, exploration which is roughly 40% of the total. Then the other 60% is chemicals which also includes materials testing as well as our semiconductor base business and all three of those segments are growing. I would say the chemicals sector is growing faster really driven by the investments we're seeing in the semiconductor material space. But the good news here is all three segments are growing which is not a situation we've had say one year ago where some segments really were quite constrained. We see growth across all three of the subsegments with higher rates in the chemical/semicon piece. Great. Thanks Mike. Operator: Thank you. And our next question will come from the line of Derik De Bruin with Bank of America. Your line is now open. Hi, Derik. Operator: Derik, please check your mute button. Hi. Can you hear me? We sure can. There you are. Sorry about that mute. So jus to follow-up on the M&A question. So I know you said $22 million is the contribution in Q4. I guess in total what is the total amount of revenues that you've required this year? That's a great question. It's so far we are probably -- so let me just -- hold on a second. I try remember that number because…. I want to be sure. I don't try -- I have the number off the top of my head, but I think it's better if I read. Go to question number two while Didier, dig through his files here. You're still on mute? Yes, I'm still here. I'll follow-up another one which is it's also an acquisition question. I know it's a little bit early to start talking about 2019, but I'm going to. You've got deals… ….let you the second question I feel bad now. No, no. I mean you've got deals, you've got currencies, you've got Lasergen, you got tariffs, you've got a lot of stuff moving around. How do we think about margin expansion in 2019? I'll refer you back to our commitments made at the AIG. We think we have no reason to move away from those commitments to be able to do this core margin expansion. That's how we're setting the plan inside the company and putting all the right -- we have a number of things in slide already to ensure we can get there. So the answer to your question is with the acquisitions we've made this year LSAG, Genohm, AATI, Ultra Scientific and ProZyme those five acquisitions we are about $25 million for the fiscal year, fiscal year 2018 and then for fiscal year, we'll end up Q4 alone will be around $17 million, so you multiply by four to have the 2019 annualized number. Right, I think we're just starting that probably in early phase of ramping these things, we’re just getting a few months of revenue. Absolutely! That's helpful. Thank you. You're welcome. Operator: Thank you. And our next question will come from the line of Dan Arias of Citigroup. Your line is now open. Good afternoon guys. Thanks for getting me in here. Mike on the U.S. Chemical & Energy business last quarter you were kind of unsure about whether that might have been impacted by trade policies or whether that wasn't really seeing an impact. I guess looking back, do you feel like tariff considerations were at all a factor in 2Q as the discussions started to heat up? And then maybe just on the overall seeing the outlook, is it fair to say that double-digits for the year is in the view? I mean I know the comp is tough in 4Q, but I think you could also not grow at all and still be at seven, eight, just based on what you've done so far. Two comments on the first question, what I pointed out in the Q2 call was somewhat of a longer deal cycle that closed in the U.S. and I can't scientifically approve it, but we thought that there was a level of cautiousness tied to just the overall rhetoric that was in the environment. That's still there but it hasn't changed and that was my concern as you know in the last call that actually it would go much more constrained. That has not changed. So the behavior we saw three or four months ago so it's basically what I'm trying to communicate today is business-as-usual as relative to the environment that we had last quarter which did change as a result of a lot of this discussion in the macro environment. And while I'm not going to guide specifically, the C&E market for the fourth quarter, that would be our upside and it's within reason that we could hit those kind of numbers. Okay thanks. And then maybe just one more on the academic markets as you finish your year in that segment, are you kind of assuming that you stay low single-digit range for 2Q, 3Q, or do you think you see some NAH funds flowing and taking you a little higher. I know you just said you're not guiding those segments, but maybe I'll take a shot there. I can just give you directionally. I think we'd expect to see some improvement over the Q3 number. Keep in mind, I think we're about a 6% through the first three quarters of this year and typically, Q4 I mentioned earlier the strength in China relative to government and Academia and Government and then assuming that the rationality stays in place in Washington, we know that we'll get usually a nice push in September with Federal Government, so the fundamentals look pretty solid there. Okay. Thanks much. No problem. Operator: Thank you. And I'm showing no further questions in the queue at this time. So now, it is my pleasure to hand the conference back over to Ms. Alicia Rodriguez, Vice President of Investor Relations for closing comments and remarks. <> Thank you, Brian and to everybody on the line on behalf of the management team, thank you for joining us today. If have you any questions feel free to give us a call in Investor Relations. Have a good day. Bye-bye. Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation on today's conference. This does conclude our program and we may all disconnect. Everybody have a wonderful day.